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[FEEDBACK] PES 2015: Incorrect & Missing Data

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Re: [FEEDBACK] PES 2015: Incorrect & Missing Data

Post by ChelseaFC » 4 years ago

Player Name: Matteo Darmian
Player's National Team / Club: Torino (Italy)
Incorrect/Missing data: This player needs huge update, he is really badly rated.
Fix: Generaly improve him as a player.
Source: http://www.pesstatsdatabase.com/PSD/Pla ... 2&Club=458

This one is really underrated, even Live update managed to lower his arrow down. This is the thing i don't like with live updates, even if player plays well, he will be ruined because his team plays bad (Marseille / Gignac, Payet. They played so good that they got to play for National team again, but Live update ruined them, and now you cant play with them), and they did this with Darmian also. He has bad stats, he is almost unplayable in the game, and what bothers me, at the moment he is the best RB/LB Italy has. He is in Natioanl team, he plays every game, but in PES15, he is simple bad.

PS: Like i sad, i like Live updates, but if a team plays bad, it doesn't mean that player in that team is also playing bad.

PS2: I agree for Danilo from Porto, he was already mentioned, so i don't have to do that again. But i agree that he needs a better stats.



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Re: [FEEDBACK] PES 2015: Incorrect & Missing Data

Post by floriank90 » 4 years ago

totally agree with 'ChelseaFC' on Origi and Barahino. I think in pes 2015 youngsters are quite underrated in general. other prominent examples are M. Kovacic and M. Icardi at Inter Mailand. There are without question the most important players in midfield/ attack at their club, though are very poorly rated...

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Re: [FEEDBACK] PES 2015: Incorrect & Missing Data

Post by floriank90 » 4 years ago

Player Name: Juan Mata
Player's National Team/ Club: Manchester United
Incorrect/Missing data: Speed 78, Explosive Power 85
Fix: Speed around 70, Explosive Power about 80
Sources: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1987 ... out-of-him
http://www.london24.com/sport/football/ ... _1_3200487
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... elsea.html
Other databases agree as well:
http://www.pesstatsdatabase.com/PSD/Pla ... 17&Club=12
http://www.futhead.com/15/players/13/juan-mata/
If there are any doubts left:
(This video is from this summer's pre-season!!!) (Gerrard has a 73 speed rating)

78 might not sound like too much but considering that players like Pogba and R. Varane currently have the some speed rating it's definitely far too much. His lack of pace was the main reason for Mourinho to sack him in favour to the much faster Willian, Óscar and Schürrle. Juan Mata has always been relying on his technical skills, never been comfortable on the wings and should be rated accordingly.

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Re: [FEEDBACK] PES 2015: Incorrect & Missing Data

Post by floriank90 » 4 years ago

This one has already been mentioned in this thread I think:

Player's Name: J. Pastore
Player's National Team/ Club: Paris Saint-Germain
Incorrect/Missing data: Technical and dribbling stats
Fix: Much better technical & dribbling stats
Source:
(This is a video of the last few months)

He should already be well known - that's why I won't post any more sources. His dribbling and technical skills are just amazing and should be close if not above 90. Despite not being a fix starter anymore for PSG (if everyone is fit) he is having a very decent season so far...
However, his current stats are far too low.

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Re: [FEEDBACK] PES 2015: Incorrect & Missing Data

Post by floriank90 » 4 years ago

Player Name: M. Kovačić
Player's National Team/ Club: Internazionale Milano
Incorrect/ Missing data: Sats are too low in general
Fix: Improve Stats (especially dribbling skills, speed and physical stats)
Sources: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mateo-ko ... eler/51471# (A market value like that the age of 20 speaks for itself)


Could go one with sources for quite a while. Probably the most promising attacking midfielder in world football right now. And already the best at Inter...

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Re: [FEEDBACK] PES 2015: Incorrect & Missing Data

Post by floriank90 » 4 years ago

Player's Name: R. Varane
Player's National Team/ Club: Real Madrid
Incorrect/ Missing data: Speed 78
Fix: Speed around 8*
Sources: http://www.managingmadrid.com/2014/10/1 ... eal-madrid
http://www.pesstatsdatabase.com/PSD/Pla ... 01&Club=33


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Re: [FEEDBACK] PES 2015: Incorrect & Missing Data

Post by floriank90 » 4 years ago

Player's Name: Micah Richards
Player's National Team/ Club: AFC Fiorentina
Incorrect/ Missing data: Speed 82
Fix: Should be close to 90
Sources: http://ask4sports.eu/2011/04/speed-anal ... -defender/
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2049 ... ack-switch
http://www.pesstatsdatabase.com/PSD/Pla ... 56&Club=44
http://www.pesmaster.com/micah-richards ... yer/32388/ (And all previous PES versions as well)

He is another victim of the new speed ratings in PES 2015 (having had a speed rating of 90 ever since I can remember). Although his career is in decline at the moment it really shouldn't reflect on his physical attributes...

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Post by songoku » 4 years ago

floriank90 wrote:Player Name: Juan Mata
Player's National Team/ Club: Manchester United
Incorrect/Missing data: Speed 78, Explosive Power 85
Fix: Speed around 70, Explosive Power about 80
Sources: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1987 ... out-of-him
http://www.london24.com/sport/football/ ... _1_3200487
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... elsea.html
Other databases agree as well:
http://www.pesstatsdatabase.com/PSD/Pla ... 17&Club=12
http://www.futhead.com/15/players/13/juan-mata/
If there are any doubts left:
(This video is from this summer's pre-season!!!) (Gerrard has a 73 speed rating)

78 might not sound like too much but considering that players like Pogba and R. Varane currently have the some speed rating it's definitely far too much. His lack of pace was the main reason for Mourinho to sack him in favour to the much faster Willian, Óscar and Schürrle. Juan Mata has always been relying on his technical skills, never been comfortable on the wings and should be rated accordingly.
Sorry can't agree with you here, Mata is 26 years old, he is at the peek of his career and he is still fast and agile. Maybe in 5-6 years I could agree.

And Mourinho didn't sack him becouse he isn't fast(which he still is in my opinion), but becouse he dosen't track back well enough.

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Re: [FEEDBACK] PES 2015: Incorrect & Missing Data

Post by floriank90 » 4 years ago

his pace is okay and he definitely is still agil. but compared to other players with similar speed such as pogba, yaya touré or lavezzi he just doesn't fit in.

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Post by songoku » 4 years ago

OK, but his speed is going down with every new PES edition:
PES 2012 http://pesdb.net/pes2012/player.php?id=36766 - speed 83
PES 2013 http://pesdb.net/pes2013/player.php?id=36766 - speed 82
PES 2014 http://pesdb.net/pes2014/?id=36766 - speed 80
PES 2015 http://pesdb.net/pes2015/?id=36766 - speed 78

so I think KONAMI did a good number on him, and not to touch his speed any more :D

And I think he is pretty much realistic to real life, in my opinion.


A few overrated players:

Player Name: P. MERTESACKER
Player's National Team / Club: NORTH LONDON
Incorrect/Missing data: Stats for Defensive Prowess 95(?!?) and Stamina 90(??!!??) way to high. - P. MERTESACKER
Fix: Defensive Prowess should be around 85 and Stamina around 70, max. I mean he has 198 cm and 90 kg, how in the world he could have stamina 90??. And Defensive Prowess 95?? I mean not even classic CB players don't have Defensive Prowess so high, not to mention Stamina...
Source (post photo or link as evidence): Don't get me wrong P. MERTESACKER is OK, and sometimes very good defender, but everybody who knows football know that these stats are to high.

Player Name: F. MELO
Player's National Team / Club: GALATASARAY A.S.
Incorrect/Missing data: Way to high stats. - F. MELO
Fix: Need to lover his overall stas.
Source (post photo or link as evidence): These would be stats when he signed for Juventus a few years back, but since then he was very inconsistent with his form and often very poor. I mean he is one of the best DMF in the game with this stats, while everybody who knows football wil tell you that in real life he is not eaven close.

Player Name: R. VAN PERSIE
Player's National Team / Club: MANCHESTER UNITED
Incorrect/Missing data: His Finishing is to high. - R. VAN PERSIE
Fix: Low his Finishing, around 88,89.
Source (post photo or link as evidence): Poor start to the season, lack of goals, and his overall play was pretty bad http://www.transfermarkt.com/robin-van- ... ieler/4380

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Post by Shales » 4 years ago

songoku wrote:OK, but his speed is going down with every new PES edition:
PES 2012 http://pesdb.net/pes2012/player.php?id=36766 - speed 83
PES 2013 http://pesdb.net/pes2013/player.php?id=36766 - speed 82
PES 2014 http://pesdb.net/pes2014/?id=36766 - speed 80
PES 2015 http://pesdb.net/pes2015/?id=36766 - speed 78

so I think KONAMI did a good number on him, and not to touch his speed any more :D

And I think he is pretty much realistic to real life, in my opinion.


A few overrated players:

Player Name: P. MERTESACKER
Player's National Team / Club: NORTH LONDON
Incorrect/Missing data: Stats for Defensive Prowess 95(?!?) and Stamina 90(??!!??) way to high. - P. MERTESACKER
Fix: Defensive Prowess should be around 85 and Stamina around 70, max. I mean he has 198 cm and 90 kg, how in the world he could have stamina 90??. And Defensive Prowess 95?? I mean not even classic CB players don't have Defensive Prowess so high, not to mention Stamina...
Source (post photo or link as evidence): Don't get me wrong P. MERTESACKER is OK, and sometimes very good defender, but everybody who knows football know that these stats are to high.

Player Name: F. MELO
Player's National Team / Club: GALATASARAY A.S.
Incorrect/Missing data: Way to high stats. - F. MELO
Fix: Need to lover his overall stas.
Source (post photo or link as evidence): These would be stats when he signed for Juventus a few years back, but since then he was very inconsistent with his form and often very poor. I mean he is one of the best DMF in the game with this stats, while everybody who knows football wil tell you that in real life he is not eaven close.

Player Name: R. VAN PERSIE
Player's National Team / Club: MANCHESTER UNITED
Incorrect/Missing data: His Finishing is to high. - R. VAN PERSIE
Fix: Low his Finishing, around 88,89.
Source (post photo or link as evidence): Poor start to the season, lack of goals, and his overall play was pretty bad http://www.transfermarkt.com/robin-van- ... ieler/4380
I am not defending Mert here just because I am an Arsenal fan (honest). I agree that these stats are crazy high but what we have to remember there are a few flaws with the current stats system and until there is new system put in, we have to kind of expect a few odd ones.

If you go into the editor and tweak Merts stats yourself he'll come out as a 72 OVR or something as low as that. He should be around 80-84 (honestly don't know what he is in the game) and I think the only way to get him that high is to boost his Defensive stats.

It's the same for a few other posts in this thread. I agree that Lavezzi should be a lot quicker, but if you do that, based on the current stat system, he will probably fly up to a 90 OVR or something in that region. Pace dramatically influences the OVRs.
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Re: [FEEDBACK] PES 2015: Incorrect & Missing Data

Post by floriank90 » 4 years ago

I totally agree with 'Shales' on the OVR- issue. There are quite a few players currently in the game who have one or two stats which are totally out of place just to make the player get a desired OVR.
Nevertheless KONAMI has to make the necessary changes/ corrections concerning stats no matter what the possible OVR outcome is. Unfortunately still too many people care far too much about OVR. but we should keep in mind that the OVR is eventually nothing more than a number....

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Post by ChelseaFC » 4 years ago

I agree with songoku for Mello. That guy is the best DMF in the game, he can play in lots of positions and his stats are way too high. So he should definitely be downgraded.

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Post by Mike » 4 years ago

Shales wrote:I am not defending Mert here just because I am an Arsenal fan (honest). I agree that these stats are crazy high but what we have to remember there are a few flaws with the current stats system and until there is new system put in, we have to kind of expect a few odd ones.

If you go into the editor and tweak Merts stats yourself he'll come out as a 72 OVR or something as low as that. He should be around 80-84 (honestly don't know what he is in the game) and I think the only way to get him that high is to boost his Defensive stats.

It's the same for a few other posts in this thread. I agree that Lavezzi should be a lot quicker, but if you do that, based on the current stat system, he will probably fly up to a 90 OVR or something in that region. Pace dramatically influences the OVRs.
Spot on.

Although I don't want to start a debate here, it's clear that pace has such a big influence on the OVR, generally meaning that all slow defenders cannot be rated higher than 75. So with this, for players like Mertesacker, we have to find the right balance.
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Post by songoku » 4 years ago

Well you could improve his passing, or ball control a little, he isn't that bad in that areas, so overall rating wouldn't be affected when lowering his Stamina and Defensive Prowess...

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